Having a Gay Old Time

Posted on Sep 27 2011 - 1:00am by Harrison

Some things in life are universal: love, hatred, greed, a dog’s companionship, and a cat ignoring its owner.  In over 20 years of feline ownership I’ve never successfully made a cat do what I want.

It’s simply impossible.

And so Matt from Conservative Hideout had an interesting article about a student being suspended for his opinion that being gay is morally wrong:

Dakota Ary, an honors student at Western Hills High School in Fort Worth, Texas, was in for a surprise after being sent to the principal’s office and punished for sharing his opinion.

After telling another student that he believes homosexuality is wrong, Dakota was reprimanded and given in-school suspension. The incident purportedly unfolded during a German class at the school. He explains:

“We were talking about religions in Germany. I said, ‘I’m a Christian. I think being a homosexual is wrong.

It wasn’t directed to anyone except my friend who was sitting behind me. I guess [the teacher] heard me. He started yelling. He told me he was going to write me an infraction and send me to the office.”

Are schools filled with Liberal teachers?


Are Liberals, despite their “celebrate diversity” mantra generally tolerant of differing opinions?


Should this student have been suspended for what he said?



I equate what happened to bullying, not “opinion sharing.”

Workplace harassment is generally defined as when one person (or a group of people) do or say something which someone else finds offensive.  Yes, it’s a “gray area” because if your coworkers love hearing penis jokes (and you love telling them) then there is no harassment.  But if one person objects to penis jokes, you’re in trouble.

Bullying is much the same way.

I live in San Francisco, the “gay capitol” of the world (arguably) and have been here for over 15 years.  Although I’m not gay, I’ve come to believe that being that way is not a choice.  As I pointed out in my comment on Matt’s article, I’m left handed.  It would go against my Nature to try and become right handed.  I’ve experimented with being right handed but it was too difficult and my heart wasn’t in it so I continue to favor my left hand when I reach for a writing instrument.

That’s just how I was made.

Anybody who has spent any time on Capitol Commentary will know I’m not interested in advancing any person’s or group’s agenda.  The only thing I care about is what is rational and is common sense… ideology be damned.

I could use the argument that saying homosexuality is wrong is like saying being Christian (or Muslim) is wrong.  But that isn’t a logical point because if you were raised in a Christian (or Muslim) family chances are you’d be Christian (or Muslim) in the same way that if you grew up in France you’d most likely speak French.

In other words, it would be the culture in which you were raised but that isn’t the same thing as being born that way.

Like being left (or right) handed (or black, white, etc…) is how you were born so I feel being gay (or straight) is the same way.

How can you logically denigrate somebody for being born white, gay, or with curly hair?

You can’t.

That’s bullying.

It sure would be easier for almost anybody who is gay to not be that way.  If you grow up in a small town or in a strict, religious family and are gay life will be very difficult for you until it’s possible to move someplace else.  Your parents might reject you.  Your peers might tease you.  You might feel alone and suicidal.

After all, this Japanese expression comes to mind:

The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

So I think a lot of gay people probably wished at one time or another that they hadn’t been born differently from everybody else.

Everybody’s entitled to their opinion (and even voicing it) but that doesn’t mean they should.

Some people feel threatened by gays.  Maybe they’re afraid they might be gay.  Maybe they believe that Jesus will send gays to Hell so it’s their job to pray the gay away like Michele Bachmann’s husband.  Or maybe they think that if a gay couple adopts a child they’ll molest them and turn them gay (statistics show molestation risks are greatest with a straight step father in the house).

Catholic priests diddling little boys is a problem but so are step fathers impregnating their step daughters.

Nobody has suggested outlawing step fathers.

And what about the sexualization of young girls… is this coming form the gay community?

No it comes from the heterosexual community.

I’d imagine if I were gay and someone in 7th grade English class told me they thought I was immoral for being the way that I was it would be pretty difficult to take.  I certainly wouldn’t have gone to school to be preached to by another student about who I am.

 Maybe I’d think judging me in that way meant something was wrong with them?

I have the greatest of respect for Matt, his articles, and his website but I simply think that homosexuality isn’t simply a “lifestyle choice” and Dakota Ary should have been tossed out for bullying another student and that this isn’t another example of Liberal indoctrination.

With all of that being said I do not think schools should be forcing children to read books like “My Two Dads” or even getting into issues of homosexuality (or heterosexuality).  That is for the families to handle.

Much like religion in public schools, issues of sexuality should be left for the private sphere of life.

Schools (and teachers) should concentrate on teaching children how to use logic and reason and how to write well and solve math problems not trying to sort out complex social issues that can’t be solved between lunch and gym class.

So maybe I am anti-Free Speech after all because I think a student who tells a Christian he should be Jewish needs to be punished in the same way that a white student should not be allowed to tell a black classmate that he’s an inferior nigger and should be his slave or that the English teacher she has a really nice set of tits so she’s in the wrong line of work

That’s free speech, too.

Or maybe they should all yell those things while someone else screams that the movie theater is on fire and throw in some “fighting words” just to cover all the bases.

23 Comments so far. Feel free to join this conversation.

  1. Steve Dennis September 27, 2011 at 3:31 AM -

    I don’t know Harrison. It doesn’t seem like the student should have been suspended to me simply for stating an opinion. It doesn’t seem like he was condemning abyone or forcing his beliefs on anyone. It sounds like nobody was offended, but the teacher thought someone should be offended. I suspension seems very harsh in this case.
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 6:50 AM -

      As I replied to LD, citing god then making a judgment does seem to be pronouncing guilt upon someone. I just don’t think private views like that belong in the classroom, particularly where many kids are still trying to figure out life and who they are or what they might want to be in life.

      Let’s say you overheard this remark and you were gay or thought you might be gay… how do you think that would affect you?

      The real world is harsh enough with people judging everybody else, I think school should be a safe haven from these types of things that’s all.

  2. LD Jackson September 27, 2011 at 4:11 AM -

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, Harrison. I don’t know the full context of the remarks that were made, but it appears that the student was only stating an opinion in a private conversation with a friend. How does that constitute bullying? If you are correct and it does, then we are on a very slippery slope, indeed.
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 6:43 AM -

      According to the article, the student said this:

      “I’m a Christian. I think being a homosexual is wrong.”

      Tough to cite a higher moral authority than god, isn’t it? There are a lot of ramifications to such a statement and I just don’t believe those belong in the classroom.

      I don’t see it as a slippery slope at all. Were the kid to say he didn’t like tweed jackets I would have felt differently about it.

      • LD Jackson September 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM -

        It is a slippery slope when you start restricting what can be said in a private conversation. If you tell this student, or anyone else for that matter, that they can not express their views, that is exactly what the homosexuals want. They have had an agenda for years to suppress any views that describe their choice of behavior as anything but normal. Suspending this student falls into that category. If this becomes standard procedure, where will it stop?
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        • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM -

          I’m not so sure this is an example of furthering the homosexual agenda. Were that the case wouldn’t having a class talking about how being gay is normal and healthy?

          My point is simply don’t bring it up at all… leave it for the families to discuss. That’s not furthering any agenda except letting families decide what their children are exposed to in school.

  3. Jack Camwell September 27, 2011 at 5:46 AM -

    I’m ambivalent about this one.

    I agree with you, Harrison, that being gay is not a lifestyle choice, and that it’s a natural part of who that person is. It’s no more a choice to be gay than it is to be straight, and no one should be discriminated based on sexual orientation.

    However, I don’t think this amounts to bullying, at least not when you consider how the kid said it. The kid wasn’t using slurs, or attacking any one person in the room. He didn’t make any crass statements or single any person out in the room.

    He made a statement about a moral conviction he holds. What if he had said “I think pre-marital sex is wrong”? Sexual intercourse is something that is inherent to human nature, and marriage is an entirely made up social construct. So would it be bullying to tell people that boning outside of marriage is morally wrong?

    This has inspired me for an article!
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 6:48 AM -

      You raise a valid point regarding pre-marital sex. My reply to that is simply that deciding to have pre-marital sex is a choice for both parties involved so it is different.

      I think commenting on something like being gay can create a climate of hostility in the classroom.

      Kids take a lot of teasing in school, some of which take the form of moral judgments upon others. There were two kids in my high school class whom I believe were gay and while I heard comments about that, I never heard anybody talking about “boning outside of marriage” too much.

  4. William McCullough September 27, 2011 at 9:51 AM -

    Putting aside the sensitivity issue; why then would it not be bullying to force a student who is not gay for saying what he thought? His statement followed the subject being discussed – he did not say it vindictively, I assume, or out of context.

    If the other student was offended he should have approached the teacher and the issue may have been resolved. The complaining student was a politically correct idiot who didn’t even have a clue that perhaps broaching the argument might in the end change or at least let the ‘offending’ student that his statement was not proper. Suspending him from school was absurd and over the top and no doubt will only reinforce the ‘offending’ students views.

    The danger here is what’s next, stamping out opinion because someone was offended? If that were proper neither you nor I would be blogging right now, especially myself and others who sometimes are considered to be crossing these imaginary lines of political correctness.

    I personally have nothing against gays people and certainly believe it is a result of genetics rather than choice. The politically correct bullshit really needs to stop….WM
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    • William McCullough September 27, 2011 at 9:53 AM -

      Please not that the sentence “I personally have nothing against ‘gays’ people should be corrected to read ‘gay’ people. My apologies to all – please don’t send me to the principles office….WM
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM -

      I think the initial 4 day suspension was far too harsh. In my school we would have gotten an “OT” (Office Trip) and maybe stayed after to clean chalkboards.

    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 2:37 PM -

      Some say this is an issue of “free speech” but I think the rules standing on the street – or online – are slightly different than in the classroom. Kids were sent out of class for swearing in class when I was in school should that be considered expressing one’s opinion, too?

      I realize it’s a thin line but we are talking about kids in school so I think the standard is slightly different than in the “real world.”

      If the teacher was trying to indoctrinate his students about the virtues of Marxism I’d think he’d been to be suspended but having a discussion where he doesn’t choose sides and letting his students voice their opinions on the matter is different.

  5. sharon smith September 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM -

    You make some excellent points. However, I would have to agree with some of your commentaters who mention context. Perhaps the teacher of the Christian student is gay and as a result the incident turned into an offensive personal matter.

  6. Dean September 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM -

    Couldn’t disagree with you more, Harrison.

    Didn’t appear there was anyone specifically targeted.

    And when speaking of religions (in Germany, or anywhere for that matter), there’s an outside chance that someone’s personal beliefs might… just might get injected into the conversation.

    Hypothetical: Would it have made any difference if the teacher or the friend had asked the kid if the thought homosexuality was wrong?
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM -

      Speaking of my own experiences in school – which was private and Protestant – where we had mandatory religion classes every other year AND weekly church services the subject of homosexuality never came up in class.

      I think this shows that it is possible to have a discussion about Christianity without also discussing things like homosexuality.

  7. Dean September 27, 2011 at 1:44 PM -

    C’mon, Harrison… admit it. You did this article just so you could run with that “totally gay” photo. Admit it – it’s cool.
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 1:59 PM -

      I thought you’d like it.

  8. eots September 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM -

    We don’t really know what happened in this classroom. The video that Matt embedded only gives the student’s side. School issued a generic statement (while his mommy lawyered up and called Fox). I mean, really, how do you get from “religion in Germany” to “homosexuality is wrong”? It’s not an obvious transition.
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 2:34 PM -

      That was my thinking on the matter. How did they get from A to B?

  9. Matt September 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM -

    Actually, the school declined to offer an extensive comment.
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    • eots September 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM -

      Of course they did. They are in litigation.
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  10. Matt September 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM -

    “Schools (and teachers) should concentrate on teaching children how to use logic and reason and how to write well and solve math problems not trying to sort out complex social issues that can’t be solved between lunch and gym class.”

    Use logic and reason, just don’t disagree with someone’s lifestyle? Logic and reason require us to question, to challenge. Are you saying do all of that, but some topics are off limits?
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    • Harrison September 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM -

      I don’t call citing the Bible (or Torah, Koran, etc…) being logical or reasonable in terms of making a moral judgement upon somebody – or some group.

      Such “justifications” have been used to burn people at the stake, fly planes into buildings, enslave peoples and races, and send the Jews to the ovens.

      The question of homosexuality – or its converse – certainly doesn’t belong in German class or, in my opinion, school for the reasons outlined above.

      I received a first rate education and we never discussed such topics.